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Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Tot ce tine de metode de crestere si selectie a matcilor, criterii de selectie, notiuni de genetica etc.
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Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde roby » 08 Mar 2015, 08:04

Rog echipa apiexpert sa ne dezluseasca aspectul privind importanta cresterii trantorilor in stupina proprie pentru a creste valoarea matcilor pe care ni le producem fiecare, si cum sa facem sa ne creem in stupina o baza de trantori care sa ne acopere necesitatile in materie de imperechere, pentru ca nu as vrea sa ajunga natcile mele sa se imperecheze cu tot ceea ce se afla in zona stupinei sau mai bine zis sa pot avea un procentaj al probabilitatii ca matcile sa se imperecheze cu trantorii mei cat mai mare . VA SALUT SI VA MULTUMESC ANTICIPAT. (PS. astept cu bucurie ca de copil sa vina luna iunie sa primesc matcutele buckfast comandate ieri la dumneavoastra si sa multumesc pentru sfaturile pe care domnul cu care am vorbit si care banuiesc ca ar fi domnul OVIDIU mi le-a dat in legatura cu ce rasa s-ar potrivi la mine in zona si la faptul ca vreau sa am o albina prolifica pentru ca vreau in primul rand, innainte de productie sa imi maresc efectivul de stupi, si as avea nevoie de matci care sa tina ponta sus cat mai mult timp pentru a avea posibilitatea recoltarii de cat mai multe ra me cu puiet pentru roiuri. VA multumesc si in acest sens inca odata!!!!)

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Re: Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 08 Mar 2015, 11:03

Salut,
Despre importanta trantorilor pot spune doar atat: sunt la fel de importanti ca si matca din care provin larvele. Atat timp cat albina lucratoare provine din ou fecundat, este evident ca primeste o parte din bagajul genetic al trantorilor. Si mai important, conteaza potrivirea genetica intre matca sau matcile de la care se preiau larvele si trantorii cu care se realizeaza imperecherea fiicelor. Pentru a putea avea un minim control in cadrul procesului de crestere a matcilor este necesar sa existe o baza de imperechere cu o minima izolare in care sa se gaseasca o singura linie de trantori proveniti din matci surori. Familiile donatoare de trantori trebuie sa fie puternice si sa aiba polen sau turta proteica dupa caz din abundenta. In interiorul acestor familii pot fi introdusi faguri cu celule mari pe care sa fie crescuti foarte multi trantori astfel incat sa se obtina un numar cat mai mare de trantori. Daca se procedeaza in acest fel, sunt necesare aprox. 10 familii donatoare la un numar de 200-250 de nuclee. Cam asta ar fi foarte pe scurt un minim necesar pentru cresterea matcilor in conditii decente din punct de vedere al trantorilor.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde roby » 08 Mar 2015, 13:36

Va multumesc pentru informatie!!! Cam care ar fi numarul de rame cu celule de trantori care ar trebui sa fie continut de fiecare dintre cele 10 familii ? Sau mai bine zis cate rame cu trantori poate creste o familie?

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Re: Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 08 Mar 2015, 13:39

Pentru a pastra familia la un nivel bun de dezvoltare, ar trebui folosite doua rame cu faguri de trantori. La peste doua rame, familia simte un dezechilibru.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde roby » 08 Mar 2015, 14:00

Trebuie avut in vedere ca nu cumva sa le impingem spre roire daca le dam la ouat rame de trantori? Trebuie verificate din cand in cand pentru a nu avea botci? Va multumesc de raspunsuri domnule Radu!!! Si ma scuzati dca va sacai cu intrebarile!!!

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 08 Mar 2015, 14:10

Nu, in nici un caz cresterea trantorilor nu le afecteaza instinctul de roire. Nu am avut niciodata botci in familiile donatoare de trantori. Orice intrebare aveti, o puteti adresa fara probleme, acesta este rolul unui forum, sa putem întreba orice.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde roby » 08 Mar 2015, 16:14

Cam care este varsta de la eclozionare la care trantorii sant cel mai apti pentru imperechere? Intreb acest lucru pentru a sti cu cat timp innainte sa fac transvazarea sa introduc in familii ramele pentru crescut trantorii?

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Re: Trantorii si importanta cresterii lor in stupina

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 08 Mar 2015, 16:51

Teoretic 42 de zile de la depunerea ouălor, practic undeva intre 45-50 de zile se atinge cel mai mare procent de trantori maturi.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)


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