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Diferente dintre matci imperecheate natural/artificial

Tot ce tine de metode de crestere si selectie a matcilor, criterii de selectie, notiuni de genetica etc.
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Diferente dintre matci imperecheate natural/artificial

Mesajde simi » 16 Ian 2015, 17:15

Va salut.Nu prea am gasit in cautarile mele diferente practice intre matcile imperecheate natural si cele imperecheate artificial.Unele carti de specialitate chiar spun ca aceasta operatie(imperecherea artificiala) e dificila/riscanta etc.Acum,tinand cont de tehnologia care intre timp a avansat foarte mult,sunt sigur ca aceste riscuri/probleme au fost inlaturate.
Sunt insa interesat ,,practic,, de avantajele unei matci copulate artificial,pentru ca diferenta de pret sigur le justifica.

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 16 Ian 2015, 18:13

Este un subiect complex si ma bucur ca l-ati deschis. Simplificand foarte mult, diferenta de comportament intre matcile inseminate corect si cele imperecheate natural este aproape inexistenta, lucru relevat de studii extensive facute pe loturi de ordinul miilor de matci, studii centralizate de Susan Cobey, autoritatea numarul 1 in lume in inseminarea artificiala a matcilor in acest moment din punctul meu de vedere. Insa inseminarea artificiala este singurul mod in care poti avea control total real asupra materialului genetic. Mai mult, doar prin inseminare poti face cosangvinizari controlate absolut necesare in procesul de stabilizare a caracterelor. Ca sa simplific, este inutil sa folosesti matci inseminate in scop de productie, nu se justifica diferenta de cost in conditiile in care se comporta la fel, dar este imposibil sa ai material reproducator de calitate fara inseminare artificiala. Diferenta de cost vine din procedura destul de complicata si costisitoare a inseminarii artificiale, dar mai ales din faptul prin inseminare se ofera posibilitatea controlarii materialului genetic.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 16 Ian 2015, 22:31

Cu regret pot sa spun ca am descoperit blog-ul tarziu, prin Decembrie mai exact, forumul nu exista... probabil sunteti singurii din tara care efectuati inseminari artificiale pe matci si sunt curios daca faceti si "prestari servicii" , adica vine omul cu matcile virgine in traista si cu trantorii in cutie... sau invers ;) ...si mai departe...ce fac specialistii...

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 16 Ian 2015, 22:51

Din cate stiu, mai există unul sau chiar doi colegi care insemineaza in Romania. Pana acum nu am facut asta decat foarte rar din lipsa de timp, inseminarile pentru crearea liniilor de reproductie , plus necesarul de matci inseminate pentru vanzare ocupa destul de mult. Cu siguranță o putem face insa, la scara mai mica anul acesta pentru ca timpul presează, dar de anul viitor va fi un serviciu separat in portofoliul nostru. Procedeul este ceva mai complicat in sensul ca trantorii nu pot fi transportati decat insotiti de multe albine. Plus ca pentru o inseminare sunt necesari pana la 100 de trantori uneori... Dar ne organizăm bine si o putem face ;)
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde simi » 17 Ian 2015, 05:59

Cred ca am inteles.In traducerea mea:cei ce vor sa creasca/produca matci vor trebui sa caute inseminate artificial.Cred ca problema lor e sa aiba stupinele cat mai izolate,in acest caz.Altfel,in cateva generatii,efortul lor va fi in zadar.Corectati-ma,va rog,daca gresesc.
In ce ma priveste,nu ar avea rost sa investesc inutil,respectiv in matci imperecheate artificial,ca sa nu fiu inteles gresit.

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 17 Ian 2015, 07:26

Ati inteles foarte bine principiul de baza, cu singura mentiune ca inseminarea in sine este doar un pas in obtinerea matcii de reproductie. Practic, este o etapa necesara, dar nu suficienta, mai important este ce urmaresti sa obtii din punct de vedere genetic. Intr-adevar, in situatia dumneavostra, nu s-ar justifica investitia in acest tip de matci.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 18 Ian 2015, 16:41

In cazuri exceptionale ... toate albinele roiesc, pentru matcile pe care le inseminati artificial, ce metode de obstructionare a matcii in stup folositi ?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 18 Ian 2015, 16:49

Clipam o aripa sau amandoua, de obicei una. Sigur ca asta nu ar stopa-o sa roiasca in situatii exceptionale, asa cum ati spus, dar nu mai poate zbura. Inainte de imperechere si imediat dupa, pentru a evita riscul de imperechere necontrolata, se tine in nucleu cu gratie Hanneman.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gaby » 29 Ian 2015, 19:20

Buna seara.Cate sezoane poate fi folosita o matca imperecheata artificial ?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 29 Ian 2015, 20:46

Va salut. Depinde de dimensiunea familiei in care este utilizata, cu cat familia este mai mare cu atat perioada de utilizare este mai mica. In principiu, intre 2 si 3 ani nu ar trebui sa fie probleme daca inseminarea este facuta corect.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)


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