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Locatie imperechere

Tot ce tine de metode de crestere si selectie a matcilor, criterii de selectie, notiuni de genetica etc.
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Locatie imperechere

Mesajde CristianBee » 13 Apr 2015, 07:13

Salut ,

Anul trecut am inceput sa i-mi cresc singur matcile dar de imperecheat sau imperecheat in pastoral . Eu sunt din Babadag, Tulcea , o locatie cu un cules de tei , rapita si FS deci si multi stupi in zona pe o perioada lunga de timp exceptand stupii locali . Anul acesta mi-am stabilit un program de crescut matci respectiv de imperecheat dar o problema pe care o am este gasirea unei locatii corespunzatoare pentru acest lucru ( ceva cules si izolare ) . Posibile locuri ar fi prin mijlocul padurii ( rezervatia muntilor Macin ) dar ar fi la 50 km de mine . Nu am experimentat potentialul zonei ( cules de intretinere sau cat de izolata este fata de alti stupi ) dar as vrea anul acesta . Ceea ce doresc sa intreb este cum a-ti stabilit locatia unde se imperecheaza ( apiexpert ) matcile asa incat sa fiti la distanta de alti stupi intr-o zona ca judetul Dolj ? . Ce criterii a-ti avut ca sa stabiliti daca o locatie este buna sau nu ? . Pe acele locatii in mod normal aveti si stupii producatori de trantori ( cati la numar raportat la numarul nucleelor ? ) . Eu folosesc nuclee ca ale fratelui Adam numai ca pe rama de 3/4 .
Sunt multe de spus dar daca a-ti putea detalia procesul prin care stabiliti zone de imperechere controlata ( cat de cat ) astfel incat sa stiti provenienta dar si sa asigurati stupilor ( producatori de trantori , nucleelor de imperechere ) un cules acceptabil pentru a putea sustine acest proces .

Cristian .

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 13 Apr 2015, 09:03

Salut,

Cea mai sigura solutie de a asigura o minima izolare este sa utilizati o zona de pădure in care sa amplasati nucleele si stupii de trantori. Pe langa faptul ca se asigura astfel izolarea, exista avantajul ca pe tot parcursul anului este asigurata resursa se polen, cea mai importanta in cresterea matcilor. Apoi, culesul de nectar nu trebuie sa fie abundent, ci moderat si constant, iar zonele de pădure in care avem bazele de imperechere se pretează pentru un asemenea necesar datorita surselor variate cum ar fi florile de primavara, maces, paducel, urzică moartă, salcam, tecar(gladita), garnita. De asemenea, in pădure nu exista curenti puternici de aer, un alt criteriu major in alegerea bazei de împerechere. Cam acestea au fost criteriile de alegere a bazelor de împerechere, plus sansa de a avea in apropierea noastra mai multe păduri de dimensiuni mici (cateva zeci de hectare) cu un amplasament bun. Pentru trantori utilizăm cam 10 familii la 250-300 de nuclee, cu precizarea că minim 2 faguri din aceste familii sunt cu celule mari de trantori. Foarte important este ca familiile de trantori sa aiba abundenta de hrana energetică si proteică pentru a mentine un numar mare de indivizi. In cazul in care doriți sa vedeti la fata locului cum arata o baza de împerechere de-a noastra, va asteptam cu drag.

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“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Locatie imperechere

Mesajde CristianBee » 13 Apr 2015, 18:51

Cam ce distante fata de alti stupi care ar putea fi adusi in acea zona considerati acceptabile pentru a asigura aceasta minima izolare . Ca si potential melifer nu stiu care ar putea fi ( preponderent este teiul fiind in masiv ) . In lipsa aportului din abundenta pentru stupii crescatori de trantori solutia ar fi ca sa suplimentez eu pana la necesarul lor prin sirop si turte proteice ? sau rame cu miere/sirop . Ma gandesc ca odata cu hranirea cu sirop in lipsa culesului ( ar putea fi si perioade scurte ca acestea ) sa nu se instige la furtisag desi nu am avut pana acum la stupi de productie tentative ca acestea . Stupii crescatori ( pentru botci ) ii aveti pe aceleasi locatii sau transportati botcile de la vetrele de unde sunt acestia la locatiile de imperechere ? . Legat de conditiile meteo , a-ti luat in calcul altitudinea
locatiei , aici ma refer la faptul ca la altitudini mai mari sau pe culmile vailor vantul ar putea fi mai activ sau locatia este pe "fundul vailor " . La mine inaltimea nu depaseste in aceste paduri pe dealuri mai mult de 150 m .
Odata aleasa locatia , cum procedati in a o asigura ( furt , vandalism , animale salbatice ) . Daca nu puteti raspunde public as dori daca se poate pe MP in legatura cu asigurarea
locatiei .

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 13 Apr 2015, 21:18

Distanta ar trebui sa fie de minim 6-7 km. Stupii donatori de trantori ar trebui hraniti cu sirop, cred ca polen se gaseste suficient intr-o zona de pădure. Se va vedea asta dupa pastura din rame. Pentru a reduce riscul de furtisag, puteti folosi pentru hranire pungi închise. Totusi, daca nu există un minim de cules natural, va fi destul de dificil de gestionat situatia trantorilor. Stupii crescatori sunt in fiecare locatie unde imperechem, nu transportam botcile. Toate locatiile sunt la altitudini mici, deci nu sunt probleme. Legat de masurile de siguranta, asa cum ati anticipat deja, nu voi putea raspunde public.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)


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