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Forum Apicol | Apicultura de la pasiune la profesie. • Matca - Pagina 6
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Re: Matca

Scris: 05 Mar 2015, 21:43
de Radu Guțescu

Re: Matca

Scris: 05 Mar 2015, 21:44
de Radu Guțescu

Re: Matca

Scris: 06 Mar 2015, 13:34
de Pierre
Domnule Radu va rog sa ma credeti ca eu cu 5 rame la cules am familii care imi roiesc. Dupa ce am citit raspunsul dumneavoastra (si m-am dezmeticit asa putin ca am ramas blocat :D ) parca tot nu ii vine sa cred ca pot exista asemenea familii. Atatea rame de puiet si asa o dezvoltare is egale cu un sezon reusit.
Ce pot sa spun astept cu ..nerabdare matcile.... :D

Re: Matca

Scris: 06 Mar 2015, 13:40
de Radu Guțescu
Mătci bune, nutritie buna, management al bolilor competent si un sistem de lucru in stupi potrivit asigura un sezon reusit. Accentuez rolul nutritiei fara de care nu poate exista dezvoltare explozivă. Randy Oliver spune: daca vrei sa ai familii ca un luptător de sumo, trebuie sa le hrănesti ca pe un luptător de sumo.

Re: Matca

Scris: 25 Mar 2015, 05:55
de Iulian
Ce influenţe au aşezarea a una două familii cu matca buckfast sau caucaziană într-o stupină cu mătci carpatine?
Eu am gasit o concluzie între buckfast şi carnica, o caut şi o postez. Mulţumesc anticipat. ;)

Re: Matca

Scris: 25 Mar 2015, 07:12
de Radu Guțescu
Va referiti la influenta trantorilor?

Re: Matca

Scris: 25 Mar 2015, 09:38
de Iulian
Da, la influenţa trântorilor asupra mătcilor rezultate la creşterea mătcilor în stupină. Despre buckfast am găsit un material pe care îl pun mai jos, dar nu ştiu despre caucaziană...


Citat:
" Impactul genotipic-Buckfast
Bratu Cristian

As dori sa incep prin a face o afirmatie care nu doresc sa supere pe nimeni,pentru ca se bazeaza pe o realitate evidenta oricarui om de bun simnt :cele mai avangardiste programme de selectie,reproducere si ameliorare apartin lumii apicole Buckfast.

Acest lucru se datoreaza,dupa parerea mea,din cel putin 2 considerente :
-Impercherea controlata si dirijata in mod continuu, in incercarea de a mentine puritatea rasei(rasei creata pe criterii de tip economic si nu una de tip geografic)
-Apicultura Buckfast apartine in general apicultorilor profesionisti(cand spun profesionisti ma refer atat la numarul de stupii exploatati cat si la situatia in care acestia nu se ocupa sau nu isi trag veniturile din alta parte-intreaga energie creatoare este canalizata inspre apicultura)

Metodologia si conceptul de reproducere Buckfast creat in bazele sale de Brother Adam a fost preluat ulterior de catre celelalte comunitatii apicole inscrise sub diferite rase.

Majoritatea crescatoriilor Buckfast stapanesc bine cel putin la nivel elementar,notiuni de genetica apicola,crestere dirijata si isi imperecheaza reginele doar pe statii de imperechere montane sau insulare sau mai nou tot mai multi pe statii de inseminari instrumentale.Acestia in permanenta urmaresc sa-si imbunatateasca tulpiniile,pentru o cat mai buna adaptare la evolutia circumstantelor ,prin noi si noi combinatii,corectand si ajustand materialul pentru ca in final sa dobandeasca mereu alte valente ale ameliorari.
S-a obtinut si se continua spre o albina vitala,blanda ,cu inclinatie la roire foarte redusa si productivitate ridicata.

In Romania albina Buckfast prin ing.prof.dr V Harnaj(presedintele Apimondiei si A.C.A Romania) a patruns pentru prima data prin 4 exemplare.De atunci incolo clandestin n-a incetat sa patrunda in tara si sa probeze calitatiile ei remarcabile.

Dupa informatiile mele, eu cred ca la baza albinei banatene se afla incrucisarea dintre albina Buckfast ( dupa altii Lingustica) si albina autohtona zonala,care in decursul vremii a stabilizat o albina productiva si bine adaptata conditiilor pedoclimatice din Banat.Pana la un studiu stiintific bine articulat ,am afirmat-o doar ca pe o ipoteza de lucru nu ca pe o certitudine.

Astazi Buckfast in Romania, este asociata cu o rasa a rentabilitati dar din pacate putine persoane inteleg fenomenul Buckfast si reusesc sa-l mentina. Totusi vorbim de o materie vie si nu ‘hocus-pocus’.

Carpatina sau albina autohtona/Buckfast cum se potrivesc impreuna ?

Cei mai multi apicultori din Romania mentin Carpatica si descendentii acestuia(si o spun intru-un mod cat se poate de admirativ) ,normal se naste repede intrebarea de modul in care se potrivesc acestea sau ce efecte se creeaza atunci cand se combina intre ele prin asociere libera.Aici apicultori in general au in functie de optiunea rasiala pe care o exploateaza,adesea puncte de vedere diferite.In privinta aceasta se fac dezbateri care au separat nu numai apicultorii de rand dar si ,asa cum am mai mentionat in alte articole,chiar si cercetator de cercetator in cadrul aceeleasi institutii de profil.
Totusi un studiu foarte serios si bine fundamentat stiintific realizat atat de sustinatorii Carnica cat si cei ai Buckfast-lui,in Germania cu privire la situatia raselor si combinarea acestora aleatorie au scos in evidenta ca datorita stabilitatii si omogenitatii albinei Buckfast , aceasta din urma ofera un impact foarte pozitiv genotipului proximitati sale.( In cel mai scurt timp am sa-l public,dimensiunea este considerabila si solicita timp) Albina Buckfast care este blanda si productiva tranfera aceste influente albinei indigene.
Deci in general se poate spune ca munca de selectie si reproducere ‘SE PLATESTE’ chiar si in mai multe generatii.Buckfast mentine un nivel ridicat si stapunge chiar si 2-3 generatii cu calitatiilor ei biologice dezirabile.
Brother Adam a fost intrebat o data :eu cresc albina Buckfast,este pentru vecinul meu un pericol sau dezavantaj? Fratele Adam a ras :vecinii toti vor fi mai fericiti deoarace vor avea o albina mai sanatoasa si productiva (vorbea desigur de efectul de heterosis).
‘Sperietoarea Buckfast ‘ care presupune un impact negativ asupra genotipului nostru indigen vine din delasarea majoritatii de a face ceva in sensul selectiei si reproduceri asistate pe albina cu care au ales sa lucreze.

Problema ,dupa cum se poate remarca, nu este la apicultorii Buckfast care lupta continuu sa imbunatateasca prin selectie insusirile materialului lor biologic,ci la cei care nu fac nimic in aceasta directie si asteapta ca selectia naturii sa lucreze pentru ei ‘surprizele placute’."

Eu as dori sa aflu cum s-au comportat din experienta dumneavoastra. Multumesc!

Re: Matca

Scris: 25 Mar 2015, 09:54
de Radu Guțescu
Potrivirea Buckfast - Carnica este benefica intr-un singur sens: matca Buckfast si trantori Carnica sau Carpatina. Rezulta intr-adevar un hibrid de calitate buna. Invers sunt numai dezavantaje, cel mai mare fiind cresterea instinctului de roire al Carnicai. Caucaziana si Carpatina sunt rase ce au cam 70% asemanari. Compatibilitatea dintre ele este foarte buna, exista un studiu facut de polonezi daca nu ma insel in care se apreciaza o crestere mare a randamentului hibridului astfel obtinut. Mai mult, hibridul Midnight, folosit la scara larga in America la un moment dat, provenea tocmai din hibridarea caucazienei cu albina carnica. Deci eu as proceda asa: as tine in zona in care imperchez familii de carpatina sau carnica ai caror trantori ar putea sa fecundeze atat fiice de Buckfast, cat si de caucaziene. De asemenea, nu este recomandata combinatia dintre Buckfast si Caucaziana.

Re: Matca

Scris: 26 Mar 2015, 06:00
de cmihaic
Buna dimineata,

Puteti sa ne dati mai multe detalii despre liniile Buckfast detinute de dvs. din care vor iesi reginele de anul acesta ? :)

O zi buna,

Mihai

Re: Matca

Scris: 26 Mar 2015, 08:06
de Radu Guțescu
Buna dimineata,

Sigur că da. Linia de mame provine din incrucisarea a doua linii cosangvinizate initial pana la 5-a generatie conform metodei de pe site, iar capetele celor doua linii provin de la doi crescatori de Buckfast din Danemarca si Germania. Mătcile din familiile donatoare de trantori sunt obtinute in acelasi fel, iar materialul genetic initial provine din stupinele noastre.

O zi bună!