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Stup cu 2 matci

Ce tip de stupi utilizam si de ce, echipamente si unelte care ne usureaza munca etc.
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Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde cristi » 18 Ian 2016, 08:23

In iarna trecuta m-am hotarat sa-mi fac singur cutii de 12 rame 1/1 si caturi 1/2. Ma gandesc sa incerc cu 2 matci in cutie si aici ar fi 2 variante:
1. un cuib jos, caturi de stransura la mijloc si al 2-lea cuib sus.
2. 2 cutii de 1/1 despartite de o diafragma si peste cele 2 cutii caturi 1/2.
Prima varianta am inteles ca o practica si Apiexpert-ul.
In a 2-a varianta fiecare matca ar avea 6+6 rame 1/2 cuib, si deasupra caturi comune.Un fel de multietajat.
As dori cateva pareri legate de cele 2 variante.

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde alien » 02 Feb 2016, 16:09

Buna ziua,
Au am ME dar nu cred ca o sa faca vre-o diferenta fata de ce folositi dvs.
Am pus in primavara anului trecut 2 matci intr-un singur stup in incercarea de salva 2 roiuri iesite slab din iarna. Am folosit ambele variante (cu cat intermediar intre familii si cu familii alaturate si cat superior) . Singura diferenta fata de cele prezentate de dvs e ca am folosit gratie Haneman si nu diafragma. In cazul in care se pun familiile una peste alta si se foloseste gratie haneman intre magazie si cuib trebuie avut in vedere existenta unui urdinis suplimentar pentru familia de deasupra (dintre cea de jos si magazie) pentru a nu bloca trintorii in cutie. Acesta se poate face cel mai usor prin decalarea celor 2 caturi. Avand in vedere ca in literatura se specifica faptul ca albina prefera sa depoziteze mierea deasupra cuibului m-am simtit mai confortabil cu varianta 2 (cuiburi alaturate). Oricum eu cred ca functioneaza ambele, doar sa aveti grija sa nu se intalneasca matcile.

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde cristi » 02 Feb 2016, 17:26

2 rouiuri aceeasi cutie cu cat deasupra am avut si eu. Roiurilor le aerau deajuns 6 rame pt fiecare cuib. Acum in primavara sigur nu le ajung 6 rame. Vreau sa mai adaug inca un cat care si asta sa fie impartit in 2. Adica diafragma o sa fie pe lungimea a 2 caturi 1/2. Sau mai bine zis fiecare familie o sa aibe 6+6 rame cuib. Peste cuib daca matcile sunt ok ar trebuii cel putin 3 caturi 1/2. Nelamurirea mea este daca trebuie si urdinis superior tinand cont de aceasta inaltime care se formeaza.

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 02 Feb 2016, 18:09

E foarte buna ideea de 6+6. Parerea mea ca si caturile pot fi tot de 1/1 si astfel se lucrează pe rama unica. Singurul dezavantaj la 1/1 ramane greutatea la care ajunge catul cand se umple, dispare dezavantajul spațiului prea mare avand in vedere ca vorbim de doua familii. Urdinisul superior ajuta culegatoarea sa castige timp, intra si iese direct pe sus in timpul culesurilor abundente. O solutie de luat in calcul poate fi si cea a unei găuri in fiecare corp, am vazut la rusi des folosit acest sistem, spuneau că ajuta atat la ventilatie, cat si la o foarte buna circulatie a culegatoarei. Nu am experienta pe acest sistem, deci nu as putea face o recomandare.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde cristi » 02 Feb 2016, 22:02

Multumesc.Sunt hotarat sa incerc.Deja am pregatit diafragmele. Revin cu noutati cand pun caturile!

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde NELU-VS. » 05 Feb 2016, 10:09

[quote="Radu Guțescu"]... Urdinisul superior ajuta culegatoarea sa castige timp, intra si iese direct pe sus in timpul culesurilor abundente. O solutie de luat in calcul poate fi si cea a unei găuri in fiecare corp, am vazut la rusi des folosit acest sistem, spuneau că ajuta atat la ventilatie, cat si la o foarte buna circulatie a culegatoarei. quote]
Va salut.Si eu am vazut la rusi asa ceva si banuiesc ca sint stupi cu fund plin.Din cunostintele d-tra la stupii cu fund AV ar merge aceasta varianta?Binenteles sibarul este scos total si se foloseste numai un urdinis superior si acela numai la catul de sub capac.Multumesc.Sanatate.

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 05 Feb 2016, 10:39

Buna ziua. Parerea mea este ca la stupii cu fund AV si urdinis superior nu mai este necesară iesire la fiecare corp. Rusii mai folosesc acel sistem si pentru ca iarna închid urdinisul de jos si lasa doar gaura de pe mijlocul corpului. In felul acesta, o cantitate mai mare de dioxid de carbon ramane in stup, ceea ce mentine albina usor anesteziata si o ajuta sa treaca peste iernile grele.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Stup cu 2 matci

Mesajde NELU-VS. » 05 Feb 2016, 17:32

Va salut.O sa incerc in acest an numai cu un urdinis superior si anume la catul de sub capac (binenteles fara sibar).Caturile ulterioare le voi aseza sub acest cat.Chestia cu dioxidul de carbon am citit si in Hristea si parca chiar indica iernarea cu urdinis superior insa observ ca nu prea este folosit acest procedeu pe la noi.Sanatate.


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