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Insarmare rame

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Insarmare rame

Mesajde iliefree » 26 Ian 2015, 15:59

O intrebare de incepator......cam cat de tare trebuiesc tensionate sarmele la rame, pentru ca eu reusesc sa le rup din dorinta de a le tensiona cat mai bine? Folosesc sarma de inox de 0.5 si tot o rup. Multumesc!

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 26 Ian 2015, 19:26

Trebuie tensionate cat sa nu se rupa :D . Nu e o procedura standard, tensionarea se face atat cat sarmele sa stea drepte. Ati reusit sa le rupeti cu mana sau folositi ceva ustensile la intins?
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde iliefree » 26 Ian 2015, 20:18

Pai am tras cu patentul....

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 26 Ian 2015, 20:35

M-am gandit ca e imposibil sa se rupa cu mana. Puteti folosi si patentul, dar tensionati doar cat sa stea sarmele drepte. Cand ajung la sediu voi posta o poza cu un sistem simplu de insarmare si intindere a sarmelor.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde iliefree » 26 Ian 2015, 20:36

Va multumesc pentru raspuns si pentru poza! :)

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 27 Ian 2015, 15:34

Ca sa scapati de insarmat, poate treceti la fagurii de plastic ;). Nu vreau sa ma dau mare, dar ce-am avut de insarmat pana acum, m-a ajutat foarte mult sotia ( la rame lucram in echipa, eu capsez - ea insarmeaza si lipeste fagurii ), cred ca se pricepe mult mai bine ca mine la capitolul asta :D . Sincer, legat de plastic ( am folosit anul trecut, in vara, primii faguri de plastic galbeni ) si nu am fost multumit. Anul acesta am gasit faguri negri ca ai lui Dan Margarit si vreau sa incerc si cu ei - sa vedem...

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Mesajde simi » 27 Ian 2015, 21:05

Care a fost problema legata de fagurii de plastic?Vezi ca inafara de cei made in China sau vapor,pe care i-am gasit la targul apicol de la Targu Mures la 2,9 lei/buc.,mai sunt si altii care fac faguri de plastic.Nu dau nume sa nu se interpreteze ca reclama.Daca esti interesat dau PM.
Si eu care voiam sa comand 200 de faguri din plastic...

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 27 Ian 2015, 21:50

Pe cei galbeni (probabil China sau cine stie ce garaj) pe care ii luasem in 2013, chiar daca eram in plin cules, mi-au cladit numai caricaturi, numai celula de albina nu. Am zis sa incerc si in 2014 cu ei, la fel - caricaturi. Am gasit acum in iarna faguri negri, calitativ si cum arata , celula texturata bine, plasticul nu este casant ( cum este la cei galbeni ) - diferenta de la cer la pamant. O sa ii dau la cladit la rapita si cine stie .... poate trec pe plastic. Am mai gasit rama de plastic cu tot cu fagure de plastic, la fel mi se pare altceva fata de cei galbeni....Doamne ajuta !

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Mesajde Robert Paulo » 28 Ian 2015, 13:52

N-am folosit faguri de plastic si nici nu intentionez.Ceva dincolo de experienta acelui lucru ma face sa cred ca nu-i in regula.Poate ca si din cauza asta isi iau albinele lumea in cap si lasa stupii goi(CCD):stupi de plastic,hrana artificiala,rame de plastic.Si nici macar de factorul pret nu ne putem agata,sunt destul de scumpe.Si sa ne mai gandim la un lucru:dezinfectia.Nu cred ca sunt sigure articolele de plastic din punctul asta de vedere,stiut fiind faptul ca plasticul are o structura poroasa ,chiar daca ochiul nostru percepe suprafete plane lucioase.In chimia alimentara se ia in calcul asa zisul efect de perete,adica interactiunea dintre recipient si produs,nu credeti ca ar putea fi similitudini de abordare?

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 28 Ian 2015, 22:20

Am vazut si eu filmuletul " Queen of the Sun ", sindromul CCD e intradevar dureros, dar nu cred ca albinele pleaca din stupi din cauza fagurilor din plastic sau a stupilor din plastic, sau a hranei artificiale. Cred ca la ei (SUA), poluarea, agricultura intensiva pe suprafete imense de monoculturi, culturile hibridate, insecticidele, pesticidele, lipsa diversitatii bazei melifere, sunt doar o parte din stimularea sindromului. Si pentru ei si pentru unii dintre noi, apicultura este la stadiul de "business" doar ca la ei este " la alt nivel ". La ei, sa pleci sa polenizezi o cultura de migdali castigi 125 $/ stup si o fac x 4 ( sunt cate 4 stupi pe palet ), la noi daca ceri bani pe polenizare .... :shock: . Iernarea stupilor nu o fac gen Dan Margarit in Canada - la ei in marile ferme apicole ( cateva mii de stupi ) iernarea o fac in hale - sa-mi spuna mie cineva, daca pana pleaca la polenizat se mai uita cineva in lazile alea? Deci despre ce vorbim ? Apicultura industrializata - dusa in cealalta extrema - in care albina nu mai este " acea fiinta care ne minuneaza " ci a devenit " sclavul pe plantatie ", probabil de aceea le pleaca albinele din stupi...
Legat de dezinfectia fagurilor de plastic, sunt ceva filmulete pe net, dar un fagure de plastic il poti fierbe in apa clocotita - un fagure de ceara il fierbi doar ca sa il topesti mai repede...
Daca va referiti la alterarea calitatii mierii obtinuta pe fagurii de plastic," efectul de perete" dispare - fagurii fiind ceruiti inainte de a fi dati la cladit, deci mierea nu interactioneaza direct cu fagurele de plastic.


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