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Mucegai

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Mucegai

Mesajde iliefree » 12 Ian 2015, 09:03

Am inceput in iulie 20014 cu doi roi. Ieri am avut 14 grade si m-am dus la stupi sa-i verific si eventual sa dau o turta. La ambii stupi am gasit apa pe fund ( au fund fix si iernez tip horn) iar la unul din stupi, pe 2 rame am gasit ceva mucegai. Cum as putea sa scap de acel mucegai? Pe podisorul de lemn aveam o patura pe care am luat-o jos si am lasat urdinisul deschis ( aveam polistiren extrudat lasand doar o gaura mica ) si am lasat doar gratia ptr soareci ( sper ca asa sa am mai multa ventilatie). Multumesc!

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 12 Ian 2015, 11:54

Salut,

Cate intervale de albina au roiurile si ce deschidere avea urdinisul inainte de a scoate polistirenul? Daca mucegaiul se afla pe leatul de sus al ramelor, il puteti curata cu o carpa uscata, daca este pe interiorul ramelor cu prima ocazie cand vremea permite (adica peste 16 grade Celsius), inlocuiti ramele.

Multumesc.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Mucegai

Mesajde iliefree » 12 Ian 2015, 20:35

Roiurile sunt pe 5 rame si mucegai am gasit doar pe partea de sus a ramelor. Urdinisul avea deschidere aproximativ 2 mm.

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 13 Ian 2015, 03:44

Cred ca problema a aparut pentru ca urdinisul a fost prea mic, ar trebui sa aiba macar 5 cm. De asemenea, ar trebui evitata folosirea materialelor textile pentru izolare in partea de sus intrucat acesetea, desi au o parte buna pentru ca absorb umiditatea, se usuca foarte greu si au tendinta sa formeze mucegai. Noi folosim un carton gros de 1 cm in partea de sus pe care il punem sub podisor, apoi podisorul si capacul, deci etansam perfect partea de sus. Lasam urdinisul de minim 10 cm, iar la familii scoatem tot blocul urdinis. In felul acesta nu am avut niciodata condens. Mariti urdinisul chiar la 10 cm, inlaturati patura si eventual folositi un carton pentru izolare, curatati mucegaiul si nu vor mai fi probleme.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Mucegai

Mesajde iliefree » 13 Ian 2015, 05:17

Multumesc pentru raspuns! Am lasat urdinisul deschis la dimensiunea normala si sus am lasat doar podisorul, sper sa nu mai am probleme!

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Mesajde simi » 16 Ian 2015, 16:30

Am gasit si eu,la stupii fratelui meu,mucegai.Si el ierneaza tip horn si problema a fost lipsa circulatiei curentului de aer,respectiv orificiile din capac erau obturate cu polistiren.Totodata,i-am sugerat sa lasa putin ridicata scandurica de la podisor,cea din dreptul urdinisului.Asta este despre inlaturarea cauzelor,cred eu.Despre cum indepartezi mucegaiul,ti-au raspuns colegii mai sus.

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Mesajde stinea » 13 Feb 2015, 17:54

Eu iernez tip clopot, dar nu cu fundul gol de tot, las doar o crapatura de o palma pe fund, in partea cu urdinisul. Izolez stupii pe exterior 3 pereti cu polistiren si nu am mucegai. Este a doua iarna la fel si sunt chiar multumit. Pe capac nu pun nimic, chiar nimic, ii ca si vara.
Inauntru, dupa diafragma pun ziare mototolite, ca sa mai absoarba umiditatea.
O sa revin mai incolo si cu o imagine sa va arat cum aunt ai mei.

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Re: Mucegai

Mesajde Georgian » 20 Feb 2015, 16:31

Salut

Sunt incepator 5 familii de albine de anul trecut, nu am mai ridicat podisoarele din noiembrie2014, astazi m-am uitat la fiecare pentru a pune cate o turta, dar spre surprinderea mea mai aveau miere capacita si nu necesita turtele, dar daca am umblat totusi le-am pus, surpriza neplacuta este aceea ca sunt plini de mucegai.
Urdinisul fiecaruia este de 2cm, podisoarele acoperite cu polistiren extrudat de 3 (chiar si zonele cu plasa) iar ramele cuibului sunt incadrate cu polistiren extrudat de 2 pe verticala
Ramele cu miere de anul trecut sunt dupa diafragma in afara cuibului si ele sunt atacate de mucegai, le-am lasat acolo cu gandul ca vor sta mai bine decat daca le-as depozita separat, plus ca vor tine ceva caldura.
Cred ca le-am izolat in exces si am gresit, acum caut o solutie sa scot mucegaiul, exista vre-o pulbere ceva sa dau si sa nu afecteze albina?
Mi-ar parea rau sa le pierd acum la sfarsit de iarna, albinele sunt in numar mare, nu am gasit multe moarte.
Ce ma sfatuiti, poate le salvez!
Multumesc!

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 20 Feb 2015, 16:57

Salut,
parerea mea: elimina complet polistirenul, pe suprafata de podisor cu sita pune un carton, mareste urdinisul la minim 1 cm pentru fiecare interval de albină, ramele din cuib lasa-le asa cum sunt momentan, iar pe cele de dupa diafragma le poti scoate si curata cu solutie concentrată de apa si otet. Odata ce temperatura permite poti curata in acelasi fel si ramele din cuib, ma refer la leaturi. Orice interventie in cuib care nu este neapărat necesară face mai mult rău.

Succes!
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Mucegai

Mesajde Georgian » 21 Feb 2015, 17:56

Astazi a fost vremea foarte buna, apoximativ 10 grade plus, am deschis stupii si am facut totul in conformitate cu indicatile primite
Am scos toate ramele cu miere ce erau in afara cuibului si am regasit o alta problema ce nu o inteleg; cand inclin rama pica apa din faguri dar in cantitati uriase; apa cu mucegaiul da impresia de apa clocita; ce o fi ? apa sau miere stricata (daca exista asa ceva)?; mierea necapacita era zaharisita.
Un fagure era ros intr-un fel ciudat parca l-ar fi mancat ceva si inca o treaba, partea superioara a fagurilor, este foarte casanta ; este normal sa se sparga asa usor fagurele cand pe restul suprafetei este normal ?
Urdinisurile sunt deschise in totalitate; am scos tot polistirenul si am pus carton moale; sa vedem ce-o iesi.
Revin cu rezultate, multumesc pentru sfaturi


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