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Matca

Discutii despre diversele rase de albine din lume: avantaje si dezavantaje, care sunt mai potrivite pentru un anumit scop, experiente avute cu diverse rase sau hibrizi.
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Mesajde gaby » 03 Feb 2015, 18:38

Va salut.Vreau sa adresez o intrebare d-lui Radu, ce se intampla cu generatia F2 din rasa Buckfast ?{imprecheate natural}

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 03 Feb 2015, 19:21

Va salut,

Pentru a va putea raspunde concret, ar trebui sa stiu mai multe detalii cum ar fi cu ce fel de trantori s-a imperecheat matca respectiva pana sa ajunga la F2. In general, un F2 este puternic influentat de trantorii cu care se face imperecherea. Deci daca hibridarea s-a facut de doua ori cu trantori de carpatina sa spunem, atunci albinele lucratoare ale matcii F2 vor avea multe caracteristici ale albinei carpatine, dar vor pastra si caracteristici ale rasei Buckfast. Daca veti urmari pedigree-ele Fratelui Adam, veti vedea ca el imperechea o matca din rasa Apis mellifera mellifera (albina vest-europeana) de exemplu cu trantori de Buckfast pana la a 4-a generatie, dorind sa obtina o albina Buckfast care sa pastreze calitatile albinei vest-europene.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gaby » 03 Feb 2015, 19:56

Sa presupunem ca achizitionez o matca Buckfast imperecheata natural, eu inmultesc la randul meu si obtin o serie de matci care vor fi imperecheate tot natural cu trantori de la vecini.De aceea va intreb pt. ca am gasit tot felul de pareri pro si contra.

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 03 Feb 2015, 20:04

Teoretic este greu de exprimat o opinie pro sau contra cat timp nu exista o linie clara de trantori. Din practica pot sa va spun ca in afara de lipsa uniformitatii produsilor, nu exista un pericol major. Sunt rare cazurile in care rezulta produsi agresivi sa spunem. Deci numai prin incercare se poate trage o concluzie si asta, spun inca o data, pentru ca nu exista un control asupra imperecherii.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 20 Feb 2015, 16:32

Referitor la Dan Mărgărit nu are o baza melifera diversificată dar are 3luni răpită si lucerna de intretinere de aceia are o dezvoltare asa mare si mai este ceva nu are boli in romania putini apicultori pot spune varoua 0 ,la noi putini trateaza paduchele din gât s.m.d va urez albine sănătoase ca restul vine de la sine nici un om când este bolnav nu prea mai are chef de treaba si mai sunt multe de discutat.a si avea o intrebare pentru apiexpert daca folosesc fumidilB la marci?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 20 Feb 2015, 17:00

Da, folosim Fumagilin B, cel produs de Medivet Canada.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 20 Feb 2015, 19:56

Multumesc pentru raspuns astept cu nerăbdare sa vad calitatea roiurilor dumneavoastra si dupa aia sa vedeti reclama, de bine sunt convins cu apiexpert am mers la sigur

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Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 21 Feb 2015, 19:23

Radu ce parere ai intre caucaziene si bukfast ,puiet cules, igiena

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 21 Feb 2015, 19:42

Sunt albine diferite si necesita metode de lucru diferite. Strict la cele trei aspecte si tinand cont ca avem in aproximativ 200 de familii matci caucaziene si peste 400 cu Buckfast, pot spune urmatoarele: caucaziana reglează excelent aria de puiet in functie de situatia in care se afla familia, ma refer la dimensiunea familiei si resursele existente. Avantaj: consum redus si familie sănătoasă. Dezavantaj: trebuie mentinute mereu in familii mari, se refac mai greu daca se micsoreaza familia pentru crearea de roiuri sa spunem. Buckfast-ul este cea mai prolifica matca, mentine mereu foarte mult puiet, chiar si cand familia este mai mica sau nu are multa miere. Uneori ai senzatia ca are mai mult puiet decat poate îngriji, dar nu am avut niciodata probleme cu boli ale puietului. Nu stiu cum face, dar se descurcă :) . Avantaj: un stup mereu populat si gata de cules, iar cand prinde o perioadă buna rupe normele. Dezavantaj: daca nu e cules, necesita hraniri de completare. Sumarizand, caucaziana este ca un motor Diesel, extrem de economic si fiabil, dar fara explozia unui motor pe benzină. In acelasi timp, Buckfastul are un consum mai mare, dar recuperează cand prinde perioade de cules. Deci ca productie pe vatra folosim caucaziana, este absolut imbatabila, iar pentru pastorale Buckfast. Daca se aplica modul de lucru potrivit, se obtin rezultate excelente cu ambele. Depinde de ce se dorește de la albina. Igiena excelenta pentru ambele, un mic plus pentru Buckfast.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 21 Feb 2015, 20:19

Excelenta exemplificare credeam ca detineti mai multe familii de caucaziene conform actelor de provenientă a mărcilor pe care le-ati importat in comparatie cu bukfast


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