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Carpatica

Discutii despre diversele rase de albine din lume: avantaje si dezavantaje, care sunt mai potrivite pentru un anumit scop, experiente avute cu diverse rase sau hibrizi.
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Mesajde cmihaic » 15 Mar 2015, 12:23

Am citit pe blog-ul dvs. ca ati gasit exemplare exceptionale in Valcea.
Cum se comporta in comparatie cu matcile carnica ?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 15 Mar 2015, 12:40

Se aseamănă la comportament, ce imi place mult la ele este ca ierneaza cu mai multa albină decat carnica, au un start super in primăvara si sunt incredibil de rezistente la boli, aici ma refer in special la nosemoza. Diferente mai sunt la comportamentul pe rama, carnica este ceva mai calma, carpatinele sunt mai agitate in timpul controlului. Pot sa spun ca rezultatele din anul 2014 m-au convins inca o data de potențialul extraordinar al carpatinei, eu cred ca daca s-ar controla bine instinctul de roire cauzat de reducerea pontei in perioadele fara cules, am putea exploata foarte bine acest potential. Lucram la asta si sper sa găsim un echilibru din acest punct de vedere, pentru ca in rest nu sunt probleme. Pot sa afirm fara urma de indoialala ca este albina cea mai rezistenta la boli, ceea ce nu este putin lucru.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde cmihaic » 15 Mar 2015, 13:02

Multumesc ptr. raspuns... :)

Prin "mai agitate" se poate intelege agresive ? ....se ridica si vin la masca sau doar alearga un pic pe rama...?
Puteti sa detaliati un pic potentialul lor ? la ce va referiti exact ? cules....prolificitate ?
Referitor la roit...Stiam ca instinctul de roire este mai putin pronuntat decat la carnica ? sa inteleg ca nu este asa ?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 15 Mar 2015, 13:28

Aleargă pe ramă, nu sunt agresive. Potentialul provine din cateva calităti esentiale a caror importanta incepe sa fie din ce in ce mai bine inteleasa de lumea apicola. Prima ar fi, asa cum am spus, rezistenta la boli. La ceea ce vad la diversi crescători, altfel renumiti, ma pune pe gânduri. Daca se va continua asa, vom ajunge sa ne bucurăm că avem albine, nu ne vom mai gândi la miere. Se urmareste orice altceva in afara de rezistenta la boli, totul este bine in sezonul activ, iar peste iarna dezastru. Ca exemplu, Anglia a pierdut conform ultimei statistici 65% din familii iarna aceasta!!! Franta pierde cam jumatate din familii in fiecare iarna. Spania se stie ce a pătit din cauza Nosema Ceranae, pierdere de 1 milion de familii. Deci parerea mea este ca daca nu se iau măsuri urgente, ne paste dezastrul. Este o discuție lunga, apicultorii sunt mereu manipulati ca este din vina pesticidelor, a schimbărilor climatice etc. Nu zic ca nu conteaza si acestea, dar va spun sigur ca prima problema este chiar la apicultori. Sa revin la carpatina, este o albina cu o prolificitate buna, nu cea mai buna dintre toate rasele, dar totusi buna, de asemenea este o albina blândă si in plus speculează bine culesurile de primavara, cele mai importante in Romania. Toate aceste calităti combinate ma fac sa afirm ca albina carpatina are un potential bun. Instinctul de roire este specific raselor care reduc poanta cand nu exista cules, intr-adevăr carnica reactionează mai repede, de aici si opinia ca are un instinct mai mare de roire. Intr-adevăr carpatina reactionează mai lent, deci se poate spune ca roieste mai greu. Ambele se pot tine sub control daca sunt hranite in perioadele fara cules.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 15 Mar 2015, 14:23

Se sustin tot felul de variante de genul celor pe care le-am mentionat: pesticide, schimbari ale climei, scaderea culesurilor naturale, boli noi si altele asemanatoare. Este evident ca nu au reusit sa stopeze pierderile, cifrele spun asta. In opinia mea, toate aceste cauze afectează albina, dar nici una din ele nu este principalul dusman al albinelor. Cred ca alte trei cauze sunt cele mai importante: lipsa unei selectii din indivizi care au dovedit capacitate naturala de supravietuire, scaderea varietatii genetice si dezechilibre majore pe care interventiile apicultorilor le produc în familiile de albine, in special prin folosirea diverselor substanțe introduse. Deci se poate observa ca toate trei tin de apicultori si de "industria" apicola. Dar este mai usor sa se dea vina pe "vreme". Ca sa nu mai vorbim ce sume se obtin din lansarea unor tratamente din ce in ce mai "evoluate".
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde cmihaic » 15 Mar 2015, 14:26

Multumesc ptr. raspuns. Sper sa nu va suparati pe mine dar sunt incepator si incerc sa scot cat mai multa informatie de la dvs.... :D

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 15 Mar 2015, 14:32

In nici un caz nu ma supar, dimpotriva. Acesta este motivul pentru care am creat acest forum, sa putem schimba opinii si informatii care sa ne ajute sa progresam.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 16 Mar 2015, 18:01

Nu numai ca testăm din punct de vedere morfologic materialul initial, dar prin cosangvinizare pana la a cincea generatie se stabilizează extrem de mult bagajul genetic. Rezultatele in ceea ce priveste uniformitatea produsilor confirmă validitatea metodei de crestere.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)


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