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Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Ce tip de stupi utilizam si de ce, echipamente si unelte care ne usureaza munca etc.
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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 22 Feb 2015, 19:43

scrie freud dado pe google si primul site este amazon acolo găsesti 99$ dar o sa ai si taxe de transport +vama undeva la 40$

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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde elflo » 09 Mar 2015, 10:35

Buna ziua!
m-am apucat de apicultura acum trei ani cu Dadant. Am ajuns pana la un numar de 10 bucati si, fara sa ma plang, intrezaresc posibile probleme in lucrul cu acest stup.

Pusa informatie cap la cap din mai multe surse am ajuns la urmatoarele concluzii, valabile cred eu, atat pentru micile stupine cat si pentru cele mari:
1. rama unica
2. Corp unic, interschimbabil - deci cu funduri mobile
3. Constructie cat mai simpla (fara imbinari in falt intre corpuri, fara podisoare, capace la aceiasi cota)

In aceasta ipoteza, raspunsul ar fi clar: ME Langstroth. Dar urmatoarea problema este ca vazand dezvoltarea alor mele am mari indoieli ca vor ajunge toate familiile sa umple cele doua corpuri ale cuibului, mai ales in primul an de la formare.

Asa ca iau in considerare varianta MER, sistem care ar beneficia de toate avantajele ME-ului, dar care s-ar plia pe populatiile mai mici de la noi si pe culesul intermitent.

Cuibul ar fi format in primul an pe doua corpuri MER, rezultant un Dadant, iar incepand cu al doilea an, acolo unde este cazul cuibul s-ar mari cu inca un corp MER, rezultand un cuib clasic ME.

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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 10 Mar 2015, 10:26

Va salutăm,

concluziile la care ati ajuns dumneavoastra sunt corecte. Dar se pot aplica fara probleme si la Dadant prin adaptarea managementului familiei. Sigur că eu sunt subiectiv, sunt un utilizator de Dadant 10 si 12 rame si la sistemul de lucru pe care il practicam are rezultate bune. De fapt, cred ca asta este ideea: tipul de stup trebuie adaptat la sistemul de lucru si invers. In acest fel, toate cele trei modele (Dadant, ME, MER) au rezultate bune. Apreciez in special a treia concluzie, cu cat lucrurile raman mai simple, cu atat sunt mai eficiente. Complicarea lor nu ajută, dimpotrivă.

Succes!
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 11 Mar 2015, 00:00

“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde elflo » 11 Mar 2015, 06:36

Nu sunt deloc de acord.
A devenit o axioma pe toate forumurile romanesti zicala de mai sus .. nu conteaza lada, conteaza ce ai in ea ... albinele fac mierea si in basca (sifonier/cutie de carton)
Problema este ca acesta este punct de vedere aplicabil strict la prezent. Cand vorbesti de ce ai in lada, te gandesti la anul in curs, cand vorbesti de care stup ai, te gandesti la viitorul pe poate cel putin zece ani.

Cine ma impiedica ca din doi in doi ani sa nu imi schimb toate matcile din stupina? O matca e 50-60 ron ... un stup cu cuib, cu caturi, cu rame si cu tot ce implica exploatarea e lui e mult mai mult.

Nu pretind ca sunt un profesionist in apicultura, dar acolo sper sa ajung. Sper sa ajung la 60-100 de familii pe doua trei vetre, familii care sa imi asigure cea mai mare parte din venituri. In cativa ani si nu la pensie.

De trei ani am incercat si DB 10 si 12 si orizontal. Nu am cautat sa aflu care da mai multa miere, ci care iti permite un numar cat mai mic de interventii, interventii cat mai simple, care se pliaza cel mai bine pe felul meu de a fi si timpului pe care il pot aloca apiculturii.

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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde roby » 11 Mar 2015, 16:55

Salut colegule! Ceea ce ti-au spus colegii dinnaintea mea si ma refer la domnii Radu si Irinel este punctul de vedere al unor apicultori care au incercat diferite tipuri de stupi. Tu fa bine si alege ce tip de lada crezi ca ti se potriveste dar sa nu crezi ca in apicultura conteaza lada... daca vrei sa faci apicultura cheltuie mai bine banutii pe albine de calitate pe hrana de calitate pe tratamente de calitate si abia mai apoi vine randul lazilor... Colegii de mai sus ti au dat un sfat foarte bun. Acelasi sfat ca si ei ti l dau si eu. Stiu ca esti tentat la inceput sa crezi ca frumusetea lazii conteaza cel mai mult dar sa stii ca daca nu ai matci de calitate daca nu faci tratamente la timp si nu stimulezi la timp te vei uita doar la exteriorul viitoarelor tale lazi frumoase. Tot ce ti am scris aici este o opinie si nu un sfat si ti am scris pentru ca si eu in prima faza aveam aceleasi convingere ca si tine dar daca te vei mai documenta ai sa vezi ca celelalte lucruri sant cu adevarat importante. Daca iti permiti ca pe langa celelalte lucruri care parerea mea ar trebui sa le faci in prima faza sa ai si lazi asa cum ti le dotesti dai bataie si sa ai parte de tot ceea doresti sa realizezi.

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Re: Ce tip de stup este mai practic?

Mesajde simi » 22 Iul 2016, 22:17

Dupa mine,orice model de stup are plusuri si minusuri in functie de tipul de apicultura ,de zona ,de rasa si de multe alte variabile.Faci pastoral,atunci eu cred ca Dadant de 12 rame e perfect.Faci stationar,me se preteaza excelent.Constructie simpla,corpuri si rame unice,usor de extins ca volum.Eu am inceput sa mi-i fac singur cu un circular de 3 lei si o oberfreza.Inainte de asta pusesem mana doar pe beschie si ciocan in materie de tamplarie,deci experienta spre 0.Si ies mai bine decat la cei care se lauda pe net ca fac stupi si rame ,nu panarame.Pot demonstra asta cu dovezi asa ca stop si stop cu criticile(pentru cel care citeste si se stie,eventual,vizat)


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