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Mesajde simi » 17 Ian 2015, 14:14

Am vazut pe multe forumuri sectiunea aceasta(cumparari/vanzari/schimburi) si cred ca ar fi util si pe forumul acesta.Personal,caut sa cumpar familii de albine pe rame 3/4 si m-ar avantaja o sursa de incredere,preocupata de performanta albinelor,decat postarile de pe siturile clasice de vanzari/cumparari.
Multumesc.

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Mesajde Ovidiu Nicolae » 17 Ian 2015, 15:57

Va multumim pentru sugestie, sa stiti ca am luat inca de la inceput in considerare o sectiune de mica publicitate, insa cel putin deocamdata am decis sa nu o implementam tocmai din cauza motivelor amintite de dvs: pur si simplu nu avem cum sa garantam sau sa decidem ca o sursa este de incredere. Cu siguranta ar fi si vanzatori seriosi, dar din experienta, eu fiind moderator si pe un forum cu un trafic extrem de mare, va spun ca vor fi si persoane rau-intentionate sau neserioase care se vor inscrie in acest scop. Noi am putea sa punem la dispozitie platforma pentru anunturi, insa nu avem efectiv cum sa controlam daca vanzatorul este de incredere sau nu. Din aceste considerente am decis sa pornim cu un forum axat doar pe informare, discutii si o comunitate foarte stransa.

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Mesajde simi » 17 Ian 2015, 16:43

Va inteleg perfect ratiunile.

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 17 Ian 2015, 19:11


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Mesajde simi » 17 Ian 2015, 21:51

Eu cred ca putem sa ne tutuim fara niciun fel de problema.
Multumesc pentru idee,e grozava,nu m-am gandit ca este atat de usor si eficient,teoretic vorbind.Daca nu voi gasi in timp util o oferta buna pret/calitate de familii pe rame de me 3/4,sigur voi proceda cum m-ai invatat.Am gasit ceva in judet la 450 lei/familie,dar mai caut.O sa fie putin mai complicat la confectionatul distantierelor-inaltatoare pentru ca intentionez sa iau corpuri din poliuretan care are peretii de 40mm si nu stiu cum ar veni pe falt.Am sa-i vad(stupii)mai bine la Targul Apicol de pe 24 ian. la Targu Mures,de unde vreau sa-mi cumpar ce-mi trebuie,de la dalta la stupi si,eventual,sa strang informatii,sa mai leg prietenii etc.

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 18 Ian 2015, 16:59

As mai adauga un lucru, atentie la starea sanitara a familiilor, in special la nosemoza. Daca familia are nosemoza si fagurii sunt infestati, nu veti scapa de spori decat prin schimbarea totala a fagurilor, ceea ce presupune un efort si o cheltuiala mare. Nici un alt tratament nu rezolva problema, iar cat timp o familie este infestata cu Nosema, nu veti vedea miere de la ea indiferent de populatie. V-as sugera sa luati cateva albine vii din fiecare familie pe care vreti sa o cumparati intr-un borcan ventilat si sa mergeti la DSVSA pentru analiza pentru Nosema Apis si Acarapis Woodi. Celelalte posibile boli se pot identifica prin vizualizarea ramelor si albinelor. In mod normal, nimeni nu ar trebui sa vanda familii fara aceste analize, deci ar fi in obligatia vanzatorului, dar cum suntem in Romania...
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 18 Ian 2015, 17:12

Corect ! Dar parintele a mai cochetat cu albinele si probabil e de ajuns sa vada doar pete de diaree si sa stie ca a batut drumul degeaba. Asa e, analizele la DSV sunt singurele care ii vor releva adevarata stare de sanatate a familiilor pe care vrea sa le cumpere. Totusi sa ceara factura daca tot le face analize si chiar daca nu va accesa PNA-ul, poate i le deconteaza cel care i le vinde ( oricum i-ar prinde bine sa stie cum sta cu sanatatea albinelor lui). :P

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 18 Ian 2015, 17:25

Din pacate, albinele pot avea nosemoza si fara sa faca dizenterie. Este adevarat ca de obicei Nosema favorizeaza aparitia diareei, dar nu este o regula general valabila. Spre exemplu, nosemoza duce uneori aparitia constipatiei, deci nu vezi nimic pe rame si sporii pot fi prezenti intr-un numar imens. Eu cand vad in familii faguri din cei aproape de culoarea carbunelui, imi dau seama ca riscul de prezenta a sporilor este mare, chiar daca nu vad pete pe rame. In mod normal, ramele ar trebui tinute maxim 3-4 ani. Asa ca personal prefer o familie pe 8 sau 9 rame cat mai noi si albina sanatoasa decat una pe 10 sau 12 si faguri de peste 4 ani. Daca este sanatoasa, familia recupereaza.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde irinel venczel » 18 Ian 2015, 17:37

Asa este, din cate imi amintesc, am mai discutat si pe blog despre nosema, subiectul ar trebui aprofundat mai mult, dar strict la viitoarele familii ale lui " simi " , in primavara ... culesul de polen, probabil ca il va scuti de " ghinion". Legat de rame, imi cer scuze, am omis sa ii transmit sa aibe in vedere si calitatea fagurilor pe care ia albina, dar cum am mai spus - a mai cochetat cu albinele si cred ca-l cicalim prea mult :P .


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