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Discutii despre diversele rase de albine din lume: avantaje si dezavantaje, care sunt mai potrivite pentru un anumit scop, experiente avute cu diverse rase sau hibrizi.
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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 21 Feb 2015, 20:50

Am adus peste 600 de caucaziene de-a lungul timpului, nici macar nu am publicat toate facturile. Cand doresti sa iti formezi o opinie concludenta asupra unei rase, pentru a decide daca vrei sa o reproduci, este nevoie in prima faza sa urmaresti un numar mare de indivizi, nu poti trage concluzii despre o rasa dupa utilizarea catorva matci. Iar caucaziana reprezinta una dintre rasele cu mare potential. Chiar daca nu cu acelasi numar, la fel am procedat cu toate rasele pe care le utilizam. Am achizitionat peste 1000 de matci provenite din zone diverse din care am putut sa selectam si apoi sa prelucram prin inseminare artificiala materialul reproducator actual. Pe site sunt doar cateva exemple, nu am dorit sa bravam punand toate facturile cu achizitiile externe sau interne. Folosim 200 de stupi cu matci caucaziene pentru ca trebuie sa avem cam 200 din fiecare rasa pe care o reproducem, doar asa putem sa vedem in stupinele proprii rezultatele muncii pe fiecare rasa. Nu ne-am permite sa distribuim matci pe care nu le testam in stupii nostri. Buckfastul face exceptie pentru ca matci Buckfast au si stupii care merg in pastoral si atunci numarul lor este dublu.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 21 Feb 2015, 21:31

Pentru ca Buckfastul speculeaza mai bine varfurile de cules. In ultimii ani, cu exceptia 2013, au tot fost situatii in care ba era seceta si nu meregea constant culesul, ba ploua si prindeai doar cateva zile. Si atunci este nevoie de o albina de explozie. Iar Buckfastul exact pentru asta a fost creata. In Anglia, locul unde s-au pus bazele Buckfast, este cam cum a fost anul trecut la noi, o saptamana ploaie si trei zile bune. Adam a urmarit obtinerea unei albine pregatita sa profite din plin de zilele bune. Caucaziana reduce usor ponta cand lipseste macar culesul de intretinere. Ceea ce pe vatra este excelent, fara discutie este albina cea mai economica pentru stationar. Colegul meu Valentin, care este mare fan al caucazienei, o caracterizeaza mereu drept albina care "scoate miere si din piatra seaca" sau albina care indiferent de conditii "nu te lasa". Totusi, in pastoral este nevoie de familii super populate indiferent de conditiile de moment. Iti asumi riscul unui consum mai mare in asteptarea zilelor de varf. Numai sa nu fie ca maiul de anul trecut :D . Atunci as fi preferat caucasica si in pastoral :lol:
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 21 Feb 2015, 22:00

Cel mai devreme când puteti sa livrati roi vb de 2016 ?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 21 Feb 2015, 22:07

Cam 15 aprilie daca ne lasa italienii. :D . Pe 11, 12 si 13 aprilie anul acesta mergem la Treviso si Torino pentru livrarea si instalarea roiurilor comandate de ei anul trecut si imi scriau zilele trecute ca vor cu ocazia vizitei noastre sa faca programarile pentru 2016. Au clima ceva mai blanda si vor sa aiba la mijloc de aprilie roiuri pe minim 5-6 rame care sa devina familii pana in 15 mai cand au salcamul. Deci, in principiu, mijloc de aprilie.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde gheorghe cristian » 21 Feb 2015, 22:18

Atunci inscriema si pentru 2016 cel mai devreme posibil dar vb noi detaliile le tel

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 21 Feb 2015, 22:20

Exact, vorbim la telefon, este cel mai bine
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)

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Mesajde cristi » 24 Feb 2015, 18:18

Buna seara , am tot citit despre rase de albine de import.Buchfast par cele mai ok.Toata lumea este de acord dar cu un mare minus.Daca nu faci inmultire controlata rasa se degradeaza.Asta inseamna ca esti nevoit sa-ti cumperi matci in permanenta.Legat de acest lucru un avantaj se pare ca ar fi totusi ca nu trebuie sa schimbi matca in fiecare an ca la carpatica (ca sa nu roiasca).
As dori legat de cele de mai sus sa ma ajutati cu cateva raspunsuri obiective , tinand cont ca dv avand de vanzare toate rasele nu prea aveti motive sa laudati o rasa mai mult decat alta:
1.matca buckfast cati ani este economic sa o tii in stup?e diferenta mare la ponta de la un an la altul?
2.macar o generatie de fiice ok pot scoate din o matca selectionata?
3.exista riscul cumparand o matca selectionata de la dv sa am surpriza sa nu ma pot apropia de stup?Am una de la baneasa si parca zici ca am aduso din jungla. Sunt constient ca nu tot ce scoateti dv sau ACA nu pot fi de nota 10 dar aia de care va spun parca prea e salbatica.
Daca fac precomanda acum cand as putea primi matcile(10 buc)?

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Mesajde Radu Guțescu » 24 Feb 2015, 18:45

Buna seara,
1. in mod normal, 2 ani nu sunt probleme. Cand spun doi ani, nu iau in calcul anul producerii mătcii, considerat anul 0, deci ma refer la doua sezoane complete. Dupa acesti doi ani sunt exemplare care mentin acelasi nivel, altele care incep sa scadă.

2. sigur că da, cu mentiunea da o importanta mare asupra calitatii rezultatelor o au trantorii din stupina unde se face împerecherea.

3. pana acum nu am avut asemenea cazuri, asa ca raspunsul este nu. Asemenea cazuri apar numai atunci cand se pierde complet controlul asupra materialului genetic reproducator TIMP DE MAI MULTE GENERATII. Rezulta asa numitul mongrel, care poate genera exemplare ca cele descrise de dumneavoastra. Legat de posibilitatea de livrare, prima data liberă este prima săptămână din iunie.
“Exista ceva la albine care intotdeauna l-a captivat pe om. Extraordinarul lor simt al ordinii si al preciziei, abilitatea lor de a se adapta la orice sau oriunde, versatilitatea incredibila, acestea si multe alte caracteristici reprezinta o inepuizabila sursa de interes si incantare atat pentru apicultorul profesionist cu cei 2000 de stupi ai sai, dar si pentru cel amator cu cei cativa stupi ai sai din coltul gradinii“. - Karl Kehrle (Fratele Adam)


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